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(Or: The Tale of Shark Bob and the Endless Source of Food)

 

 

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Actually - I'm not.  It's foolish to think that someone who owns and operates the 2nd largest fan fiction website on the internet would be ignorant of copyright laws. Not only have I had discussions with various legal sources, I did my own research prior to consulting with them.  Your arguments hold no water.

Please also note, that as you are intent on infringing on EL James' copyright, your information including IP address data has been sent to both her and her editor along with copies of what was posted to this site and our removal of it.

I wish you luck with your faulty arguments if and when they decide to send you a C&D letter

I'd say happy writing, but it is apparent that you much prefer taking someone elses work in it's entirety as opposed to creating something of your own.

Thanks. =) Here's another one.

 

Super Important Law: Do. Not. Plagiarize.
(Alternative Title: The Magical Warhammer of Banning)

 

 

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OK, I found the thread I was looking for. Just earlier tonight I was very depressed, seeing the large number of hits my 5 day-old story got compared to its lack of reviews, & to be honest I just wanted to delete my whole AFF account & leave. I'm still doubting my desire to post anything else, which I would have to type directly here for nothing. I get more support, guidance & encouragement on my personal fanfic blog where not nearly that many people read my stuff, who are not at all obliged to encourage me but still do. I also see fics that have been here for ages (excellent ones) boasting thousands of hits and (maybe) 1 or 2 reviews. WTH?

I'm going to say this honestly... if you are here to get reviews, get out now. This isn't the place to do that. Some fandoms, especially those that cater to younger beings, get those no matter what craptastic, unreadable BS you put up but most of the fandoms don't get the kind of thing you are looking for, especially the older ones. Some stories, ones that have gone on forever, do get such things but newer ones from authors people don't know tend to not get the mega-hits or review counts. However, though reviews might be scarce as hen's teeth, that doesn't mean what you do get doesn't mean anything. Hell, I have a multitude of stories on this site that have been up for years that have no reviews. A few even came down to be published, and I don't mean self-published either, though they had no reviews on this site. Lack of reviews means nothing. It means that people aren't reviewing for their own reasons. You also need to take into account the concept of review karma, meaning the more YOU review, the more apt you are to get them in return. It does tend to work that way.

Reviews are an odd thing. As so many have pointed out, many stories that get mega hits, reviews and rates aren't worth it and you wonder if those that did that read the same one you did while really good ones don't get such things. It just goes that way on all sites I've seen.

In closing, I'll say this... if you like what you're doing and do it for your own reason, what difference do reviews make to you anyway?

Oh, you're adorable! Starting a post like that with the line:

It's really ridiculous how you all gets peeved when someone's just says his/her opinion.

Too funny. You Sir and/or Madam have made my day. The whole post is so expertly crafted. I especially like the bit where you give an opinion that folks on discussion forums should only give opinions if asked for opinions... when not asked! But it's pretty much all high class 'net flamewar bait (heck, vintage - I recall variations of "I'm not sure you have the mental capacity to understand it" on usenet). I salute you! And you should totally write riddles. I'm gonna have to risk being interpreted as peevish again and echo that wishing well in the future to you. I know it's hard to tell on the internet but this is totally not sarcasm, or even snark. G'luck!

We were recently contacted by a well respected British publication about appearing in an article supporting Fan Fiction since we are one of the largest Fan Fiction communities out there.  The following is his email to us:

I was wondering if you could help me. I'm a British journalist interested in writing an article on your site and fan fiction in general. I want to get across how fan fiction is a legitimate art form, how much imagination and meaning there is on sites like yours. I think it's been maligned in the past but now, and want to write something celebrating the communities and creativity AdultFanFiction.com fosters.

Is there anyone from your team I can interview - be it over the phone, Skype, email, whatever - over the next few days? It can be anonymous if they'd prefer. I'd also be really interested in speaking to some of your regular writers, if you could recommend anyone in particular who's particularly prolific or active on the site?

It'd be great exposure for the site and hopefully will do a lot to right the perception many people have of fan fiction as tacky and sordid.

I would love to have some of our more established, long term, articulate Fan Fiction Authors who are currently active (Perhaps even an Originals author as we don't JUST do fan fic) speak with him.  If this is something you are interested in, please let me know via a forum PM.  Alternatively, if you have not signed up for the forums, you can always send me an email at admin@adultfanfiction.net with your pen name/link to your profile and contact information that you would like to be provided.  I'd appreciate, but not require, a brief statement as to why you would like to represent the site.

I'm expecting a large response (I mean who doesn't want to be quoted in an article!) so please understand that so he is not overwhelmed, I'll be sorting through the responses and sending only a handful on to him.  I will be looking for someone who, as I mentioned above, is currently active in the archive, well versed and well spoken and has been with the site for a decent amount of time.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm so excited for the recent popularity and acceptance of fan fiction!   If you have a chance, make sure you check out PBS's Idea Channel episode on YouTube talking about it!  They'd love for our users to sound off in the comments!



Edit: Okay!  So, I've got the short list created ... of 18... I still gotta whittle down, but at least I'm getting somewhere!  Please understand that due to the sheer volume of applications, it is just not a possibility for me to respond to each of you individually.  It's been a pleasure getting to understand a bit of why you do what you do and I can't even begin to express how blessed I feel to have such a supportive group of people!

*shakes head* These writers apparently have NO idea just how much time and work goes into a concrit review. I have spent over an hour on some of my concrit reviews, it depends on the number of errors and how long the chapter is. I try to make them as professional as I can because the purpose of these reviews is to help the author improve their writing skills. Nobody is going to spend that kind of time on someone who can't appreciate it.

You get one solid review and cry FLAME? The writer should be sending the reviewer flowers for taking the time to read their story and for writing a review meant to help them grow in the craft!

If all a writer wants is fluffy reviews, they should put an author's note at the start of the story saying: Praiseful reviews only.

I'm going to be honest, I’ve been avoiding this thread like it's nuclear waste because it's the kind of thing that can lead to serious rants and some very hurt feeling but, after today, I decided to add my two pennies to it (and Apollo is checking those pennies to make sure I don't step over the line with this rant).

For those on here that don't know, I've been an archive moderator since '08 and seen a lot of things over those years so I can quite honestly say that, despite what someone asserted, it's not a few bad apples that have ruined reviews for most everyone but a whole lot of them rotten apples that have killed it! That's no joke, folks! And the biggest problem with getting reviews is the authors themselves. They are the ones that have, bluntly, made it to where so many are out and out scared to leave a review of any kind for anyone. It's sad, but it's true! I know people are going to argue with that assertion but hear me out.

One very shining example of this happened today. A few days ago, I was working on doing my ten reviews for AFF's Review Association (for those of you that don't know what that is we go in and review stories each month that have none. Our reward for that? We get a banner. Nothing else. If interested, they are always accepting members-plug over, back to rant...). It's been a few days since I did it so I didn't think anything of it until I woke up today and was getting ready for work. Checking the standard pages I do when I get up, I found that one of the beings I left a review for reported me for it! Now, being a mod, I know what the difference between what a flame and concrit is. I also know where the line is drawn and don't even step close to it. If I feel something I’m saying is too harsh, I get BW or Apollo to check it over for me to see if there isn't a way to soften up what I said or to ensure that I didn't step over any kind of line with it.

The review in question wasn't even one I had to do that with. It was nicely worded, slightly blunt but not overly so, giving the issue, a link about how to fix the issue and how what was done affects the reader when trying to read it. I started and ended the review with positive things about the story. Nor did I rip the thing apart. But, still, I got reported for it and there was a long rant from the author about the whole thing basically saying I need to quit pretending this is a professional writing site or Hollywood and stop leaving those kinds of reviews. I was... STUNNED. Then I laughed my ass off! Am I mad about it? No, I thought it was funny as hell! Am I in trouble for it? No, because I did nothing wrong and I didn't flame or attack anyone. Is this odd? Yes and no. It's odd that I got reported but these kinds of tantrums over concrit reviews are quite common. There are plenty out there, more than just a small handful of them, that want nothing but fandpoodling OMGWTFILUFFIT reviews and for you to say nothing else though they ask for reviews.

Other examples are just as bad. Plenty pimp the hell out of their stuff all over and ask for reviews but when you give them an honest one, they just delete it and don't bother to fix any of the issues you pointed out even if you give them a very easy way or solution to fixing what is wrong. Talking to Rogue, another member of the RA, we figured out that we are running about 50/50 with reviews we leave. About 50% stay up and the other 50 either get rid of the review or out and out delete the story (this month's 5 I did serious concrit for has resulted in 2 reviews already being deleted and one reporting me for what I had to say so you can see this is not an exaggeration). That is sad but true. And, generally, they all but beg for reviews in the story, the thread in the forum to promo the story or elsewhere. But if you don't just gush, they get rid of it. How many times are you going to go through with this until you give up? It generally doesn't take long before you throw your hands up and say 'I give' then quit. It get's worse though.

Though many of you might think I’m joking (I can assure you, I’m not), it goes downhill from there. Like I said at the beginning, I’ve seen a lot over my time as a mod and a common thing to happen is the flame baiting by authors. BW and I have both had this happen to us because we're mods and the author didn't like something we told them to change. We've had them say something in the story then had their readers go after our stories with reviews that are intended to be retaliatory and bombing our ratings. And if they'll do it to a mod, who knows what's going on and how to handle it, you can damned sure bet they do it to reviewers that say something they don't like! They have too, many, many, MANY times.

They leave a butt-hurt, whiney ass AN about how someone was so mean to them in a review or that they think they should just stop writing because of something that is said then BAM the reviewer gets nailed. It happens more than you think, folks! And if you think it's just younger authors that do this, think again! There are plenty of older ones that do the same thing. This, more than anything, has made it to where people are afraid to leave a review. Would you want attacked because you were honest or were giving feedback to someone that's not mean but intended to help them improve what they do? The majority of you would say no to this but it's what happens. And plenty have seen this so they back off and say nothing rather than be on the receiving end of that kind of flaming. That results in people not reviewing. Since this has gone on for years, the end result is what you see now; reviews are minimal. If someone gives one, it's just standard fanpoodling OMG update soon or something like that.

So, know what? You want to bitch and complain to someone about this? Go find the authors that do this bonehead stupid stuff, and more I didn't mention, and let them know because they are the ones that have killed the reviews for the rest of you more than just the readers that never bother.

Fucked in the head, I except. Some sorta severe serotonin deficiency perhaps. Looks out into bright happy smiling hot sunny days in the world and sees desolation and a race bent on self destruction and the fucking up of the poor majority by the obscenly rich majority. Messed up loser scumfuck who oughta be exterminated. Get some kinda sick pleasure from trying to engender visceral reactions of disgust and revulsion in their audience, maybe even enjoy the flames. Exposed to horror stories at a young age and had 'em imprinted on the psyche. Watership Down's rabbits had it tough. No desire to hurt anybody else, but find writing helps feel better sometimes, whether gory splatterbang or just warm and fuzzy.

That's just me, of course. Only me. You with the pen and the hatchet quit getting all offended. I'm sure the others who've dabbled in dismemberment fiction are all lovely well balanced people you'd be quite happy to take home to Mother. Stephen King, I think it was, did a very good essay on the nature of writing and reading horror and such. Undoubtedly there's a few other things on it as well.

JayDee, while sarcastic, is quite correct. Also, please note that she is one of the Authors on the site, a long standing member, not a admin or moderator.  As a user, so long as she remains polite, she is welcome to voice whatever opinions she pleases same as you are.

Please understand that we've been dealing with the issue for many years and every time we've taken any sort of action she's posted something similar to what she currently has up on whatever site or social media she's work with at the time and we've said nothing in regards to whatever version she's taken to telling.

When the time came that we decided to remove her, I knew that we would most likely have some very upset readers as she has a large following and I also knew based on past behavior that she would likely blame the staff and degrade the site.  As owner, I made the decision that any inquires into the status of her fiction would be answered with the above statement and only that statement prior to even removing the account.  It is concise, truthful and in reality professional. I made the choice to include the exact dates and reasons to avoid a long drawn out thread of "I can't believe you deleted her - You guys are mean nasty horrible people for enforcing the Terms of Service a user agreed to!"  We've had that before with other users and quite frankly, this was an easy way to cut it off at the pass. (Please note that it did work quite well for the better part of two months)

I did not at any point denigrate her or her writing and nothing was an attack, personal or otherwise. Believe me, if I truly felt it was necessary to stoop to the level she has on her various social media sites, I could.  There is more to the story than what is posted above, but beyond a factual stating as to the history and why, that is not something users need to be concerned about.

It's quite frankly no more or no less than a reference I would give if I had a person call for a job reference or one for a lease:  Just the facts Jack.  I've held to a strict level of honesty and transparency with my members and will not deviate from that.

As this is obviously not going to resolve anything or change your mind, I locked the thread.  I respectfully ask that as I have responded to this and there is really nothing new that could be said on either side that you not start this up anywhere else on the forum.  Thank you.

Yes, shame on the admin for that brief summary telling folks what happened. What they needed was something like a professional writer would put, like old dexy's statement as, uh, admin/host of her own site: "I knew how petty and evil-minded the admins over on AFF really are."

Wait, what? Surely not! Based on your statement about how admins should act on their sites I expected to see nothing more than "I am no longer with that site." Now, I know little of these things but from what you've told us that doesn't seem terribly professional does it? Almost, well... petty? Gosh! Petty! Yeah, we'll go with that. Maybe... and this is just speculation, you understand, maybe stating a user is removed for ToS violations, and listing the violations - much like we see in clubs and such - without adding personal ad hom attacks... maybe that is the professional way to do it?

I'm just being snarky.

Sadly, Guest_Leah, we're pretty used to dealing with immature morons who threaten to hold their breath unless they get their own way.  It's all about them and what they want, or didn't you know that?  The world owes them a favour and it's our duty to trip over ourselves to accommodate them, even if that means us risking jail time.  So in the future, when you come across one of these childish numb-nuts, you'll know to commence your deferential kowtowing immediately, since they deserve it you know!

SOMETHING AMAZING!

Done. Next challenge?

::chuckles::  I promise not to pummel anyone.

 

I'm going to speak strictly as an author here, and not as staff, so keep that in mind.

 

I love reviews.  I love the quick "That was great!" reviews, and I love when someone takes the time to leave a long and thoughtful review chock full of the kind of concrit that will make me improve as a writer.  I like to know what works, and I like to know what doesn't, because I'm not suffering from the delusion that I'm awesome.  I'm good, but I can be better.  Lots better.

 

Now, I don't care if you want to leave me a quick line, and then come chat on my review thread.  That's wonderful, and I'd love to hear the concrit portion there.  I'm fine with forum PMs, too.  But the whole point is that I like to know I'm not just wanking here.  I like to know people are reading, and I like to know how they reacted to what I wrote.

 

I don't always have a lot of time to leave long reviews, but I'll try to at least say something if I take the time to read a story.  If I get the feeling an author wants real dialogue, as opposed to just pats and squeals of delight, I'm happy to chat more.  That's how I've met some marvelous people.  

 

I won't fanpoodle, though.  That is just beneath me, and anyone over the age of twelve, actually.  You want blind adoration, get a dog.  I'm more of a dragon myself.  

I don't have a beta myself, largely because my fandom pieces are not in wildly popular fandoms and I do want someone who gets the 'verse in which I dabble.  My original works, well, I have no excuse there other than not really knowing anyone I'd pester to beta for me.  But I do also welcome concrit and delight in having someone point out where I can improve.  

 

I have an inner Grammar Bitch ™ who is relentless in terms of pointing out errors in punctuation, and who has made me twitch for years when I write dialogue that is not grammatically impeccable.  Honestly, we aren't all known for flawless exposition all the time, and dialogue can sound stilted if you force the issue.  I have manuscripts that will never get out of first draft if I don't reign in my tyrannical inner editor.  I'm overly critical of myself, and the fact that I hit the publish button at all is amazing.  

 

There should be a fine line between my obsessive self criticism and the blithe disregard for convention that triggered this thread.  It would be refreshing, anyway, given that a great many of the people who can't be bothered to try and clean up grammar and punctuation errors are the same people who are upset by the lack of reviews on their stories.

I'd totally give users $10,000 for a review! OK Folks, review any of my stories that doesn't currently have a review for an extra 10000 utterly worthless totally fun and cool points next to your forum username!

You've mentioned that you write in HP.  No offense to anyone and I'm not trying to offended (as I, too, write slash in that section so...)  first you need to take into account that those that read in HP tend to be much younger and haven't exactly learned that there is more to 'bottom and top' than what they see and/or read on the internet.  I've had them do this to me too (usually more in Supernatural though since i make the one no one sees as such the 'bottom),  i come back with the example of oral sex.  The one giving is tending to be seen as the bottom.  When, in reality, it's not.  the person with the organ in their mouth is the top because said organ is also surrounded by teeth.  That rather switches it around.  Oral sex, giving and receiving, is a rather neutral act, not seen as bottom or top because of many factors.  The bottom is the one that controls what is done and pleasurable, or painful, sensations that are caused on the so-called 'top' in the situation.  The same goes for many other acts like it.  There is no real 'bottom or top' in anything unless you are doing a D/s or BDSM situation of some kind and the line is made very clear who is what.  Other than that, they are interchangeable.

As for the emotions...  again, I mean no offense, but a great many in some fandoms, especially the ones that cater to those that are younger, don't 'get' the emotion thing. Emotion is a hard thing to convey in so many things, be it fanfic or original.  In slash, it seems to be harder than in het because so many don't understand one very undeniable 'truth'; males and females react differently to emotional things and show emotion a different way.  For example, a 16 year old Harry is not going to run out of a room screaming and crying when confronted with something.  Yet I've seen it portrayed that way more than i care to enumerate here.  They also don't realize that how beings were portrayed in the books is very different than they were in the movies.  Nor do they take into account, using something you said you write, that characters like Sirius were not as well developed as ones like Hernoine or Ron.  Sirius was a rather minor character in both the books and movies, with little character development as opposed to other ones that were more of a 'main character'.  So how you portray them is your interpretation of what you saw/read.  Nor is it right, wrong or indifferent.  When there is no real background of development you have to create it to have a good story.  Just because yours doesn't agree with what they interpret doesn't make it wrong.    OOC, in the case of the more minor characters, is in the eye of the beholder.  They just tend to get pissy when you don't do things according to the way they see the world and, for those, stick up your middle finger and tell them to spin on it.

All in all, it comes down to one thing...  It's your story to do with what you want.  If they don't like it, they are free to shut the page and move on.  Their reviews, too, can be easily deleted here.  Beyond that, consider the mentality, roll your eyes and move on!

Taking off my staff hat for a moment, and speaking just as an author, I would not be terribly comfortable leaving any of my original work up here if it were made easy to download it.  My fandom stuff, well, it would be irritating as the hells to find it published elsewhere under someone else's name, but it's not something I could ever have published on my own for profit anyway.  My original work, though...  I'd be devastated.  Seriously.   Some of my oneshots in Originals are "outtakes" and character development bits for things I'd like to submit for publication.  

I understand that the vast majority of people download something to read with no nefarious intent, and would no sooner plagiarize than they would kick a puppy.  I know nothing's foolproof, and a determined thief can copy and paste just as well.  I just don't see the point of a fiction archive making it easy for people to steal, not when that archive hosts original works.

That's strictly my opinion as an author, mind you, and it carries only as much weight as that of any other user here.  

I'll be perfectly honest. I have had the oh-so-delightful experience of being attacked personally for my role as a moderator.  It's stupid, and childish, and not what I expected from people on this site, but I tend to give people more credit than they deserve, it seems.  Apparently, not only did these bullies never bother to actually read the Terms of Service and Content Guidelines that they agreed to when  making their account, they find it unreasonable for us to expect them to actually comply with it.

Although we now use a separate moderator account for our work here, I don't think I'm alone in remaining reluctant to expose myself to the bullshit of retaliation reviews.  While I'm intelligent enough not to take the content to heart, I'm also hampered in how I can respond because I am a mod for the site, and even in my "personal" role, what I do and say reflects on the site as a whole.  I know that standing up to bullies works, but I can't do that, and silence only encourages that particular form of vermin, whereas I'd rather hold up a mirror and force them to confront their own blindingly evident inadequacies.

Even worse, they help to alienate readers and authors who would otherwise leave reviews that were meaningful and contained useful concrit.  I enjoy being told what worked, but even more so, I want to know what doesn't work.  I will never improve if I don't know where I'm lacking, and I'm not delusional enough to think I don't have vast room for improvement.  I particularly resent losing the gorgeous and invaluable concrit from ShadowKnight, and the blunter but no less cherished concrit from wanderingaddict.  They kept me going when I started writing here, and I've taken their advice to heart, to my great benefit.

The utter nadir, though, is seeing writers with talent and potential crushed by bullies who unleash the full fury of their minions on someone who dares to leave a less than fanpoodling review.  It's not in my scope of authority, but I'd cheerfully ban those bullies without a moment's hesitation.  I never permitted my children to throw tantrums in public and if certain users want to behave like children, I'm more than happy to administer swift parental response.  Being an adult comprises more than just having reached a certain chronological benchmark.

I'll also add to Dany's statements (and Apollo's welcome to smack me if I step over the line, but she knows that )

There are those who come into the Shoutbox here on the forum and practically beg for reviews. They constantly complain about how they get none. Now, sometimes, they really don't. Sometimes they have one review for every 200 or so hits on their story.

One of the ones that really didn't have any reviews, I reviewed two of hers. Her response was to delete one of the stories completely, and delete my review on the other.

Tell me, as a reader, how I'm supposed to react to the fact that when you beg for reviews, and I leave you one that isn't, as Dany said, an "I luff it" review - and your response is to delete it?